Posted: 12:11 pm Tuesday, July 1st, 2014

Are Miami, Louisville, UNC or Virginia Tech potential SEC targets? 

By Andy Johnston

Will Virginia Tech or Miami join the SEC when it chooses to expand? (AP photo)

Will Virginia Tech or Miami join the SEC when it chooses to expand? (AP photo)

The ACC has changed.

Maryland is gone. Pitt, Syracuse and Louisville are the new residents.

Maryland landed in the Big Ten, which also added Rutgers.

So where will the SEC look if it chooses to add a couple of teams?

The SEC guys at ESPN.com debated this in a column and came up with four potential SEC targets, eliminating Clemson and Florida State.

Greg Ostendorf, who covers Auburn for the website, said the SEC should look to adding Miami and Louisville.

Miami is a no-brainer, he wrote, because it would provide a natural rival for Florida, be “significant for recruiting as local kids would no longer have to leave town to play in the SEC” and create outstanding new games against traditional SEC powers. “… Who wouldn’t want to see Alabama, LSU or Auburn play Miami every couple of years. This should have happened years ago.”

It also would help with alignment, “If the league sticks to its current model, both Louisville and Miami could join the East and allow for Missouri to move over to the West where it belongs,” Ostendorf wrote.

I like his arguments and have long said Miami should be a part of the SEC. It’s always seemed a more natural fit than the ACC, and as Ostendorf pointed out, would benefit league and the school.

Louisville is a strong candidate, but the SEC already has a presence in Kentucky, and the move would seem to benefit the school more than the conference. Plus, Louisville just joined the ACC.

ESPN SEC writer Edward Aschoff wrote that he would like to see Virginia Tech and North Carolina join the SEC, although both have ACC teams as their natural rivals.

Among his reasons, he wrote: “Not only do you have a football team that could compete, UNC would be an excellent addition to most Olympic sports, too,” and “Virginia Tech has the atmosphere and culture that would make the transition over the SEC extremely easy.”

Adding Virginia Tech would help the SEC tap that state for football recruits and perhaps open the Washington TV market, as Aschoff writes.

Louisville and UNC would boost the SEC’s presence in basketball — although both are successful in football — but Miami and Virginia Tech would provide more football oomph.

So how ’bout taking one from idea and ending up with Miami and Virginia Tech.

Or does the SEC need to look west, past Texas A&M and Missouri?

What do you think?

109 comments
Fleming01
Fleming01

As the most eastern of the west schools Auburn and Alabama should move east and Missouri west and add OU

Pocaroba
Pocaroba

I favor retraction. Boot our A&M and Mizzou and go back to the traditional schedule. 


CrazedDawg
CrazedDawg

No state with an SEC school in it will be added because the school already in that state has the right to say no. Plus it does not fit the SEC expansion model of adding schools in adjacent states to expand the blueprint. The perfect schools for that are NC & VT!

BradSmyly
BradSmyly

If they did add teams I think they should look to bring in new markets.  Bring in one of the NC schools and one of the schools from VA.  I just can't see UNC or Duke ever leaving the ACC.  NC State and Va Tech would be my top-2 choices.  Clemson brings nothing to the table that the SEC doesn't already have with USC.  South Carolina is a small state and only one school is needed.  

Red-Dog
Red-Dog

UNC & UVA or Clemson are the best fits and bring it ....  Miami, VT, Louisville don't bring anything but appetites to the SEC plate.

IMO....

Please do not add anymore until we subtract several teams Mr. Slive.

inoto20
inoto20

Who wouldn’t want to see Alabama, LSU or Auburn play Miami every couple of years. This should have happened years ago.”

It also would help with alignment, “If the league sticks to its current model, both Louisville and Miami could join the East and allow for Missouri to move over to the West where it belongs,” Ostendorf wrote.

This guy is an idiot then. Because everyone under the current format, you aren't playing the same teams every couple of years. Add two more teams and it will be like playing each other every 7 years. 

Now it could have been helped if the wimps went to a 9 game conf schedule. 

maryjga
maryjga

NO. just NO.    the SEC does not need to expand any more.   In fact, we should kick a couple of schools out.

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

I'd like to see some conference realignment, with GT leaving the ACC and getting to the Big 10.

octavian
octavian

The SEC shouldn't expand, but if it does, NCSU and FSU should be the prime targets. Both are public universities with a large fan base. NCSU hasn't been that strong in football in the last few years but the potential is there. The problem for the Wolfpack is UNC. its very unlikely the Tar Heels would ever allow the Pack to be in the SEC. And NCSU can't leave the ACC without permission from the Tar Heels.

patriotdog
patriotdog

First, working for ESPN gives Mr Ostendorf no extra credentials in my book. That empire hasn't been right more than 50% of the time in anything they've ever said.

Secondly, the reasons he laid out for Miami being a 'natural' fit also apply to FSU. Clemson would be my next choice. Mizzou could then be moved to the West, which is where it should be, as the westernmost school in the conference that isn't in Texas. It is a natural rival with South Cackalacky, and virtually a natural with UGA.

Of course, Tech could re-enter, but not if the goal is to strengthen the conference, and the appearance on ESPN or the SEC network of a half filled Bobby Dodd would not suit the conference's

reputation.

jrclick
jrclick

i would say unc or ncst.,(north car) va tech,

if need some really fast wva would come in a hart beat.

note: WVA will bring down the Big12., why? travel cost is eating them a way.   

Kegmatthews
Kegmatthews

Louisville would never play in such a weak basketball league.  No thanks. The ACC is a perfect fit.

EarlMcClary
EarlMcClary

I think that the SEC is fine as is. Also, the ACC is making huge gains on the SEC in football. One only needs to look at the fact that 11 teams from the ACC played in bowls last year ...highest of all major conferences. Clemson can match any SEC team but Alabama on the football field with recent wins over Auburn, Georgia and LSU. Florida State, won last years national championship in football. And the last ranking for 2015 football recruiting has Clemson as no. 2 in the nation. So, leave well enough alone and let's see what the future holds with the SEC and ACC battling it out for the best overall conference in the nation. 

LostGoat
LostGoat

add UVA and UNC, not low rent schools like miami or louisville

andrech3
andrech3

Both schools do not carry a great deal of respect. Lousiville with Petrino and Miami with all the pobation issuses do not make them quality schools. I vote no on both, especially Louisville, which is becoming even more last stop for players with issues more like a prison team, can you say "Longest Yard Revistied"?

dcole001
dcole001

With ACC Changing there Buyout Clause to 50 Million don't see anyone leaving ACC anytime soon. However the Big 12 has 2 Teams SEC might look at in the Future. Oklahoma and Texas. Reason both Teams would consider switch is because of what is happening with Texas A & M. They are no the Big Dog in Recruiting in Texas. If you look where they rank and the money that is no flowing into College it is only a matter of time before Texas comes calling. 10 Years Max.

MasterJ
MasterJ

I'm sure they're targets.  But the SEC's resources could be better used targeting schools who might actually be interested.


You SEC people need to get over yourself.  Not everybody is salivating at the prospect of joining a semi-professional league.

Dawg^2
Dawg^2

Expansion only makes sense if it's UNC and VT, we get two great schools (athletically and academically) and expand our market.  The SEC is already a blood bath and scheduling has become a nightmare, so it better be worth while.  Also, I thought the ACC's "grant of tv rights" ended any expansion possibilities.  UVA would NEVER join the SEC, they would never want to be "associated" with us.  I attended graduate school at UNC and their 50/50 at best (SEC schools are extremely conservative, they call UNC "Commie Hill" for a reason).  The ACC bastardized their conference, they should have stayed with their original schools and been a nice, small high academic and good athletics conference (a Division I "Ivy" league).  No shame in quality over quantity. 

Cobbox
Cobbox

None of this is going to happen. VT won't leave because Virginia fought for it to get into the ACC. The SEC can have North Carolina. I think the rest of the league would love to get rid of them. Swofford is going to have to cash in all of his political capital to keep the NCAA from dropping the hammer on the Heels. I think Clemson and Florida State would love to join the SEC, but the Chickens and the Gators aren't going to let that happen. The ACC receives the TV rights from any school that leaves the league. Losing millions to deter any school from leaving. And Louisville is not a dump. It has one of the richest athletic departments in the country.

Birmingham__Jacket
Birmingham__Jacket

UNC?  Highly doubt it.  They would lose all the political power they have in the ACC--- the commissioner is a UNC alum.


VT, Miami and FSU are more likely targets.  The ACC is still a weak football conference compared to the SEC, and many Blue Chips will tell you they want to play in the SEC.

Dogleg
Dogleg

Why would the SEC want Louisville, a joke of an athletic department with low morals and no tradition other than basketball. Let the ACC deal with Petrino and Grantham and future embarrassments.

GTRay
GTRay

@GTBob & @GTMan1946I'm more in agreement w/you guys.  I've never liked having VPI in the ACC -- and remember, the ACC didn't originally want them, the politicians in Virginia made the ACC take them (they ordered UVA not to vote for expansion if it didn't include VPI, and w/o that vote, expansion would have been voted down).  


Grant of rights/money/recruiting aside, I would gladly let the SEC have VPI -- they are a much better fit there (and of course there's the whole issue of my feeling that GT is the only true TECH in the ACC).  The replacement?  As I said when the ACC voted to invite Louisville, I think UConn is a far better fit for the ACC and I love their BB tradition (and they are prime national championship contenders again this year).  So they would be my first choice.  


If not UConn, then I would definitely welcome Vandy -- top academics and good athletics.  They usually have very competitive BB teams (men's and women's), not to mention being the current national baseball champs.  And a very minor point, adding Vandy would make the ACC "map" logo (including Tennessee) look a bit less disjointed -- but who cares about that, right?


One last point re: you guys that are talking about GT going back to the SEC  -- not saying that I want us to do that, but I will say that when I came to GT in 1969, we were playing Auburn and Tennessee annually, and I wish we could still do that.

GTBob
GTBob

@Birmingham__Jacket Yep, we all can't wait for Maryland of all teams to be our closest and most historic rival. Maybe we can get a heated rivalry with Purdue going also. The engineers cup.

GTBob
GTBob

@octavian Even without the grant of rights, the SEC couldn't get NCSU. FSU might be on the table but its unlikely.

Ihateorange
Ihateorange

@patriotdog  Plus the fact that Tech already left the conference once.  In my book that automatically denies them any opportunity to come back, ever.

Ihateorange
Ihateorange

@Kegmatthews  And the SEC would never allow Louisville to join the league - we already have our pariah.... Auburn 

Ihateorange
Ihateorange

@EarlMcClary  the ACC has 2 good teams in football they are hardly on par with the SEC....  keep dreaming.

octavian
octavian

@EarlMcClary Clemson has lost to the Gamecocks for the last five years. That's hardly parity with the SEC.

GTBob
GTBob

@dcole001 The Big 12 has a grant of rights just like the ACC. If any team leaves either conference their media rights stay with the previous conference. Nobody is leaving any of the major conferences until those contracts expire. When they do expire, there is no chance the SEC could ever get Oklahoma or Texas without bringing 2-3 other teams along as well.

Ihateorange
Ihateorange

@Dawg^2  The problem with that (although it was a good idea) is that money rules football and basketball now - the networks call the shots, not the schools.  They have sold their souls to the devil for the almighty dollar.

octavian
octavian

@Dawg^2 UNC would never leave the ACC. The Tar Heels are too used to being the "flagship" institution of the ACC to agree to equality demanded of SEC members. 

Put aside that pride about the ACC being the Division I Ivy. The ACC has nothing on the PAC-12, which has Stanford (the nation's #1 private university) and U-CAL Berkeley (the nation's #1 public university) as members.

I live in SF, CA and claims of ACC academic merit are laughable out here.

stripesofzebra
stripesofzebra

@Dawg^2 Had the ACC stayed as they were, they would have been poached and would be no more.  Remember that there were 6 big conferences and now there are 5. 

Cliff Peterson
Cliff Peterson

@Dogleg Louisville has done better overall over the past 3-4 years than UGA. Not bad for "a joke of an athletic department."

marinehokie
marinehokie

@GTRay  Of course you don't want VT in the ACC because GT can't beat them and they are a better engineering school.

GTBob
GTBob

@GTRay I think a lot of long time GT fans would want that. GT fans from recent generations would probably resist it though. To guys like me, we have only played Auburn a couple of times and haven't played Tennessee at all. GT's history with the SEC fades more and more with each passing generation and there is no real need to rekindle it.

octavian
octavian

@GTBob @octavian  I tend to agree; but NCSU would make a very good fit with the SEC.

FSU? Who knows. I tend to doubt the Noles want to leave the ACC, at least for the moment. But who knows?

GTBob
GTBob

@octavian I guess the last 5 years are all that matters in college football.

GTBob
GTBob

@octavian The ACC is a far more balanced conference than the PAC 12 academically. The Big 10 is also. It cracks me up though that a guy on the AJC blogs is spending time in San Francisco talking to Pac 12 fans about the academic merit of the ACC. I guess that is moderately believable.

GTBob
GTBob

@stripesofzebra There was plenty of time for everyone in the ACC to be poached and no one left other than Maryland. The conference was never going to fall apart.

Ihateorange
Ihateorange

@Cliff Peterson @Dogleg  and  the world began yesterday.....  Louisville is a dump and a crooked one at that. The AC has them now - have fun with that, we dont want them.

inoto20
inoto20

@GTBob @GTRay Yeah why play teams we know now would beat us. That's gt bobs logic. He's all about job security for pj. Play the cupcakes outside conference, cupcakes in the acc and hope they can win 6 to get to a bowl! Oh and drop uga!

Ihateorange
Ihateorange

@GTBob @GTRay  You wont ever come back to the SEC.  You left and therefore shut any door of return.  You made your choice, live with it.

GTRay
GTRay

@GTBob I know what you're saying, there's no need, but nostalgia is never rational.

BradSmyly
BradSmyly

@GTBob @Ihateorange , 3 teams in the top-5, 4 in the top-10, and 6 in the top-25.  I don't know where you get only 3 good teams from.  The SEC once again had the best conference in the land.

octavian
octavian

@GTBob @octavian  I never said its all that matters, but losing five in a row to the Gamecocks matters a great deal to Clemson fans, even if they deny it.


My comment was meant to dispute the notion the Clemson can match any SEC team except Alabama. Clemson has a good team - but on a week in and week out system, the Tigs are not at SEC level.

Oh, the Tigs can rise to the challenge of beating an SEC team on a one game basis but not through the course of a whole season. 

octavian
octavian

@GTBob @octavian  What does balanced academically mean?

I guess it means whatever you want it to mean, but keep using (and believing it) if you wish.

My Stanford alumna girlfriend considers the ACC's claims to academic excellence little more than a poor joke.

I and one or two friends (a UVA alumnus and a U-CAL Berkeley alumna) talk about this but few on the West Coast even admit to the ACC's existence. The SEC people know about - but mention the ACC and you get a blank stare from most people.

Believe what you wish.

GTBob
GTBob

@Ihateorange GT has no desire to ever return to the SEC. Nor do I as a GT fan. I would honestly rather shut down the football program.

GTBob
GTBob

@octavian You are basing that off what? If mediocre Big 12 programs could come into the SEC and be at the top of the conference then there isn't much of an argument that you can make that Clemson wouldn't be able to compete there. The SEC isn't nearly as tough as you think it is.

GTBob
GTBob

@octavian lol. Well then your mythical Stanford girlfriend thinks Duke, ND, GT, WF, BC, and UVA are all joke schools huh? Well, shes a moron. Oh and now nobody out west even knows that the ACC exists huh? This story keeps getting better and better.

inoto20
inoto20

@GTBob @Ihateorange Of course not. Who wants to play teams located just a 2-3 hour drive from Atl. Let's make it 5-8 hours and in some cases, bc, pitt & cuse, a flight is needed. 

You don't want to move cause you know pj would do as bad as kentucky.

octavian
octavian

@GTBob @octavian I never said word one about a Big 12 team. I've mentioned Clemson, FSU, UNC, and NCSU, all of which belong to the ACC.

Again, I'm against the SEC expanding but if it is to expand, I'd prefer NCSU and FSU.

I never said Clemson wouldn't be able to compete in the SEC. The Tigs would compete very well. But there are other teams besides Alabama who would be more than a match for Clemson.

The SEC may not be as tough as I think it is, but its tough enough. In fact, week in and week out, its the toughest con-

ference in the country, and you know it.

octavian
octavian

@GTBob @octavian Stanford is a world class school. In fact, its America's university. 

None of the schools you mentioned - and maybe all of them together - are in Stanford's class.

There is a saying common in higher education. 

Stanford isn't the Harvard of the West. Harvard is the Stanford of the East.

If you don't believe me, visit the City. Even a GT man can learn, I think.

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